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April 5, 2023

How Oliver Zahn Beat AI’s “Cold Start Problem” to Make Plant-Based Cheese That Tastes Like the Real Thing

In big data and artificial intelligence, one of the most well-recognized challenges to success is the “cold start problem.”

The cold start problem refers to when a lack of data hobbles recommender systems in machine learning models. Much like a cold car engine that causes a car to sputter and jerk along as a driver starts their journey, an algorithm built to discover and make accurate recommendations can’t perform well when it starts cold with a foundation of little to no good data.

And it’s this problem – a lack of foundational data around which to build a machine learning model – that often deters scientists, entrepreneurs, and companies across various fields from adopting new technology such as artificial intelligence.

The cold start problem is something Climax CEO Oliver Zahn was well-familiar with. As a world-recognized astrophysicist who worked for Google and SpaceX building complex data science models, Zahn knew that getting over this initial hurdle was one of the reasons established companies didn’t embrace machine learning and continue using the status quo – whatever that may be – to build new products.

So when Zahn decided he wanted to build a future food company using AI, he knew the initial challenge of building a dataset that could be mined to find new and promising building blocks in the world of plants would be his biggest hurdle. Still, it was a challenge he knew was worth taking.

“Traditionally, a lot of the big food companies around today pursue sort of a trial and error approach,” Zahn told me recently when we sat down for our conversation on The Spoon Podcast. “They use human intuition to guess what might work. But that often misses things that are less obvious.”

Zahn knew that the less obvious things could be the key to unlocking food building blocks that could power new types of food. Those building blocks, which come from the hundreds of thousands of different plants – many of them inedible – could then be combined in millions of different ways to provide new functional or sensory features to create something like a plant-based cheese. The only way to get there was to use machine learning, cold start problem or not.

“It’s a huge combinatorial screening problem,” said Zahn. “Even the largest food labs on Earth, if they all joined forces, would not be able to explore all combinations and millions of years.”

He knew AI could if he could get past those initial hurdles. But to do that, he knew Climax would have to begin not by gathering lots of data first on plants but on animal products.

“We started by interrogating animal products really deeply to try and understand what makes animal products tick the way they do,” said Zahn. “Why do they have their unique flavor profile texture profiles? Their mouthfeel? Why do they sizzle? Why do they melt and stretch when you eat them?”

You’d think that a lot of that data would already exist, but according to Zahn, it didn’t. The reason for that, he explained, was there had never been a business reason to build those datasets. But as the environmental impact of animal-based products became more apparent in recent years, there was a business motivation to start understanding how these products ticked so they could then be replicated using more sustainable inputs.

The data the company gathered by interrogating animal products allowed them to create labels for their machine-learning models to describe and characterize a food product accurately. With that in hand, Zahn said the company set about building data sets around plant-based building blocks.

“We built a lot of data sets on plant ingredient functionalities and the different ways of combining them. We then found these trends that can recreate animal products more closely, and sometimes in very non-obvious ways.”

Zahn says the process of creating accurate models can often take a very long time – up to 20 years – particularly if those building them don’t have the good intuition that comes with experience in machine learning.

“From the perspective of somebody starting a food company, that (long time horizons) can be scary, right? Because you need to get to market at some point. And so unless you have a very good intuition and have a lot of experience, in my case, a couple of decades, of trying to derive meaning from messy, large data sets, people don’t even start.”

For Zahn and Climax, the models they have built have already started yielding impressive results, enough to help them begin making what will be their first product – cheese – using artificial intelligence. What helped them get there so quickly was Zahn’s experience in building these models that told him to start with trying to understand and describe certain features of animal products – be it taste, mouthfeel, or nutritional benefit – and then find combinations of plant-based building blocks that achieved the same result.

“To look in the plant kingdom for something that is chemically identical to the animal ingredient, like a protein that you might be after, is a little bit of a red herring,” said Zahn. “Because it doesn’t need to look identical microscopically, or the sequence doesn’t need to be identical, for it to behave the same. There could be other ways to accomplish the same functionality.”

Now, after just two and a half years, Climax is ready to start rolling out its first products, a lineup of cheese that includes brie, blue cheese, feta, and chèvre (goat cheese) made from plant-based inputs. It’s an impressive feat, partly because, as a first-time entrepreneur, Zahn also faced the challenge of learning how to build a company, in itself another “cold start problem.”

If you’d like to hear the full story of Zahn and Climax Foods’ journey to building plant-based dairy products, you can do so by listening to our conversation on this week’s episode of The Spoon podcast. Click play below or find it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

March 28, 2023

Podcast: Becoming a Kitchen Tech Reviewer With Wired’s Joe Ray

In this week’s episode of the Spoon Podcast, we catch up with Wired’s Joe Ray.

Here at The Spoon, we’re fans of Joe’s kitchen tech reviews, where he cuts through all marketing blather and hyped-up features and tells the reader exactly why he or she should (or shouldn’t) buy a product. 

In this episode, we take a look back at how Joe got started in food, why he picked up one day and went to France to become a writer, his tutelage under the famous restaurant reviewer François Simon, and his approach to kitchen technology journalism.

We also talk about the current state of kitchen tech, the smart kitchen, and where we see it all going.

You can listen to the podcast by clicking play below, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

March 17, 2023

SideChef’s Kevin Yu Eyes Next Phase of Growth After Raising a $6 Million Series B

I first encountered SideChef’s CEO Kevin Yu at a rooftop party during CES in March 2015. At the time, SideChef was in its early stages, having been founded just a couple of months prior, and I was beginning to explore kitchen technology. The first Smart Kitchen Summit would take place only eight months after our meeting.

In November, Yu traveled to Seattle to participate in the inaugural Summit and subsequently became a regular attendee at SKS events. After some time had passed since our last catch-up, I invited Yu onto the podcast to discuss his company’s recent funding and inquire about his vision for its future.

I first encountered SideChef’s CEO Kevin Yu at a rooftop party during CES in March 2015. At the time, SideChef was in its early stages, having been founded just a couple of months prior, and I was beginning to explore kitchen technology. The first Smart Kitchen Summit would take place only eight months after our meeting.

In November, Yu traveled to Seattle to participate in the inaugural Summit and subsequently became a regular attendee at SKS events. After some time had passed since our last catch-up, I invited Yu onto the podcast to discuss his company’s recent funding and inquire about his vision for its future.

Originally, SideChef was a recipe app designed to assist users with cooking. In those initial years, SideChef and similar companies like Innit and Drop/Fresco concentrated on connecting various appliances and developing a tech-driven guidance system for kitchen use.

“We started as just a recipe app to teach a person how to cook,” said Yu. “But then that grew out, and it was like, ‘Hey, wait for a second’, we can help you with not just how to cook, but we can also help you with meal planning, we can help you get your groceries, we can connect that into a smart kitchen device and make that automatic as well, too.”

As SideChef formed partnerships with appliance brands, retailers and CPG brands also expressed interest in connecting and digitizing the shopping experience. This interest intensified with the onset of the pandemic. Consequently, Yu and SideChef focused on shoppable recipes, as it was a more straightforward revenue generation method.

“I think shoppable recipes themselves are just the tip of the iceberg,” Yu commented. “We sent out over 3 million online orders to our retail partners last year through this experience.”

The company plans to use its new funding to leverage the infrastructure it has developed over the past decade. Image recognition technology is one area that could help them do this, as it has potential applications across the entire food ecosystem, from inventory management to automating cooking settings on smart kitchen appliances.

“We believe image recognition is a catalyst-type technology that we hope to continuously build upon the partnerships that we have,” Yu stated.

I’ve been somewhat down on the smart kitchen recently, as it seems companies—especially big brands—have not been innovative. When I asked Yu his thoughts about this, he acknowledged the issue but attributed it to a normal stage in market evolution.

“I think part of the plateau you’ve observed is because some companies, after taking their first swing, have felt that it’s not worth it to try again right now,” said Yu. “Maybe they don’t want to be the leader in this area. Or maybe they don’t have a confident route or sometimes even a confident group to be able to leave those charges internally.”

Despite the obstacles encountered by some players in the smart kitchen industry, Yu remains optimistic about the future of smart kitchen innovation.

“This is about unlocking the value and entering the next chapter, which is where most of this additional investment funding will be directed,” Yu said.

You can hear my full conversation with Yu below.

February 24, 2023

Podcast: How the DeSci Movement Will Change The World of Food

Do you know what DeSci is?

Don’t feel bad if you don’t, especially if, like me, food is your primary focus.

A16Z’s publication Future describes DeSci as a movement in which “a growing number of scientists and entrepreneurs are leveraging blockchain tools, including smart contracts and tokens, in an attempt to improve modern science. Collectively, their work has become known as the decentralized science movement, or DeSci.”

Dr. Jocelynn Pearl

If you haven’t heard of DeSci by now, the reason is that while the trend’s caught the attention of the biotech and research funding worlds, it hasn’t entirely made its way into the future food conversation just yet. 

But it’s only a matter of time, so I figure there’s no better time to learn than now. To help us do that, I invited Dr. Jocelynn Pearl, a biotech scientist, entrepreneur, podcaster, and DeSci expert, onto the podcast. 

In this episode of the podcast, Dr. Pearl and I discuss the following:

  • What is DeSci?
  • How DeSci is changing the insular and outdated world of research publishing
  • The benefits of using Web3 tools like DAOs, blockchain, and NFTs in science research
  • Why DeSci hasn’t yet reached the future food industry just yet and why that may soon change
  • What the future of science research may look like with these types of tools

If you’d like to hear more from Jocelynn, you can find her podcast, the Lady Scientist Podcast, and read some of her writing on her website.

As mentioned in the episode, we are having an event next week on the state of food robotics, and we’d love for you to join us. So get your free ticket here. 

You can listen to the podcast by clicking play below or at the usual podcast spaces such as Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

February 10, 2023

Podcast: How Will We Feed Astronauts in Deep Space?

Up until now, every morsel of food an astronaut eats in space was created and packaged here on earth. However, as we embark on a new era of long-term space flight, NASA and other space agencies realize that will need to change. 

As the Senior Project Manager for Space Crop Production and Exploration Food Systems for NASA, Ralph Fritsche has been thinking about this problem for the past decade. Ralph and his team work every to try and figure out how exactly they can provide sustenance to space travelers for multi-year space missions that are out of reach of re-supply from the space shuttles they rely on today.

In other words, they are trying to figure out how to feed humans on a mission to Mars.

In this podcast, we talk about the evolution of the NASA space food program, how they are discovering new ideas for possibly feeding space travelers, and the timeline for sending systems up in space to feed astronauts as they embark on multiyear missions to the far reaches of the galaxy.

If you’re a space nerd like me, then this is the podcast for you. Just click below or find this and other Spoon podcasts on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

February 4, 2023

Podcast: 3D Printed Meat, Drone Delivery and Spy Balloons

This week’s guest for Food Tech Friday is long-time food tech entrepreneur and investor Peter Bodenheimer. Peter talks about his role at cultivated meat startup Steakholder Foods and what he’s building at Super Kingdom.

Peter joins Carlos and Mike to talk about the food tech news of the week, including:

  • Are we comfortable with autonomous retail?
  • Do we want drone delivery?
  • Space food is happening. Should it?
  • The growing number of layoffs in food tech 
  • Amazon is adding a thousand robots a day. Could surpass workers by 2030
  • The acceleration of food tech M&A 

And, of course, because how could we not, Chinese spy balloons

As always, you can get the Spoon podcast in Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and wherever you get your podcasts, or you can also just click play below!

January 27, 2023

Podcast: The Bloomberg Alt-Meat Hullabaloo With Rachel Konrad

In this week’s episode, we catch up with Rachel Konrad, a former journalist who spent the last decade-plus working for Tesla, Impossible Foods, and now the Production Board.

Rachel joins Mike and Carlos Rodela to talk about her background, the recent controversy surrounding Bloomberg’s article declaring plant-based meat a fad, and how she helped Impossible bring food tech to CES in 2019 with the launch of the Impossible 2.0 burger.

December 23, 2022

Podcast: A Look Back at The Year in Food Tech With S2G’s Tonya BakritzesPodcast:

It’s almost the end of 2022 and so we decided to catch up with S2G Managing Director Tonya Bakritzes.

In this podcast we talk about:

-The impact of inflation and global macroenvironmental headwinds on the food tech landscape

-The plant-based meat sales slowdown and what it means for the space over the long-term.

-Some areas to look forward to in 2023

We’ll be talking about a lot of these same topics at CES in January at the CES Food Tech Conference and we hope to see you there!

You can find out more about S2G here.

You can listen to the pod below or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

December 10, 2022

Food Tech Weekend Podcast: Talking Food Robots With Clayton Wood

Our guest this week on our weekly food tech news wrapup is Clayton Wood, the CEO of pizza robot startup Picnic. We talk about the latest food tech news and hear Clayton’s view on where things are going in the world of food robots.

Here are the stories we discuss on this week’s show:

  • The Food tech venture capital market really dropped hard in Q3.: Food tech venture drops 63% quarter over quarter
  • One sector that seems to be somewhat active in Web3 meets restaurants: Seattle’s Forum3 announces funding on heels of launching Starbucks’ NFT-centric loyalty program. 
  • Two Fast-Grocery Delivery Giants Have Merged: Turkish fast delivery company Getir has closed its acquisition of German rival Gorillas as fast grocery continues to consolidate.
  • Wonder Lays off 7% of Workers: Marc Lore’s food delivery unicorn has its first layoff as growth goes slower than expected.
  • Colleges are embracing delivery robots. Grubhub announced a partnership with Kiwi, adding to their partnerships with Starship and Cartken. Is there something about college campuses that make them a logical testing ground for food robotics?

We also put Clayton on the food robot hot seat, asking him:

  • How would you assess the food robot marketplace in 2022?
  • Will we see some consolidation in certain areas of food robotics in 2023?
  • Predictions for the 2023 food robot market.

You can listen to this week’s pod by clicking the player below, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Enjoy!

December 3, 2022

Food Tech Friday Podcast: Farmbots, Smart Mixers and Cocaine Bear

We’re ramping our Friday food tech casual news podcast back up again, and on this week’s episode, Mike and Carlos talk about some of the stories that caught their attention this week:

  • Will reusable containers take off at colleges? What about restaurants? One startup is trying to make it work.
  • A new smart mixer from GE Appliances surprised us in a market that has lacked innovation as of late.
  • Has Amazon’s Alexa strategy failed?
  • A startup debuts its new driver-optional electronic tractor.  Is this the future of farming?
  • One sidewalk robot company lands a nice deal with Norway’s post office, but how are the others doing?
  • Plus: Cocaine Bear!

You can listen to the conversation below, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Join us next week on The Spoon’s Crowdcast channel to see the live recording. 

November 29, 2022

The Secret to Scaling a Plant-Based Meat Startup With Nowadays’ Max Elder

In his previous life, Max Elder worked as a futurist, where he helped food brands develop strategies for the future.

One of his primary motivations in this work was the belief he could help steer these brands away from animal agriculture and toward a future centered around more humane and sustainable foods. Over time, however, Elder realized that to have a meaningful impact, he’d have to create his own product.

“I always thought that I could sneak into the boardroom and try to shift the Titanic,” Elder said. “That was meaningful work, but it’s quite hard to do. Structural sort of incentives aren’t aligned in these kinds of companies. And Titanics sink. That’s the story, right?”

So in late 2020, Elder left his job as a futurist and created a plant-based meat company. With Nowadays, Elder envisions a future where he can have a bigger impact by scaling meat utilizing production techniques perfected for traditional animal agriculture.

“To truly scale these products efficiently so that the category can realize its potential, we have to think more creatively about our manufacturing process, our finishing process, and partnering with existing players across the meat value chain,” Elder said.

He sees many plant-based meat startups trying to create entirely new ways to make their products when, in truth, many existing processes built for the world of animal agriculture work and are already highly scalable.

“A lot of work is being done to recreate wheels,” Elder said. “And the (existing) wheels are cheap, ubiquitous, and super efficient. They’re just pumping out conventional protein that isn’t as good for people or the planet.”

So while Titantics may sink, Elder thinks he has created a way to leverage much of the existing know-how from the old world to lift the tide of alternative proteins by making them more efficient and affordable.

“As a founder, Nowadays is my version of a speedboat. Hopefully, one that we can grow to have impact.”

Elder was this week’s guest on The Spoon podcast, where we talked about his transition from strategist to entreprenuer, and Elder put his futurist hat back on to look at where things are going in the world of alternative protein.

You can listen to the podcast by clicking play below or get it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

November 22, 2022

Restaurant Tech News Pod: Web3 Restaurants, Sweetgreen Robots, Subway Smart Fridge

Last week I caught up with Expedite’s Kristen Hawley to talk about some of the recent happenings in the world of restaurant tech.

Some of the stories we talked about on this episode include:

  • Subway debuts smart fridges to sell sandwiches as they up their unattended retail efforts
  • Flyfish Club decides on a location and the buildout has begun
  • Sweetgreen is slowly rolling out robots after acquiring Spyce a couple of years ago
  • The emergence of ghost kitchens 2.0

And more! You can listen to the podcast below or find it on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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